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Rachel Baldes's avatar

This set of pieces was really helpful to me to have better language to both understand the process so frequently used by these types of "allies" and to use it when disengaging from them. It can be hard to extricate myself from discussions both online and IRL when people are doing this. It's not that I'm confused about their manipulation and the how what they say contradicts what their words are doing but their refusal to be straightforward about it and how they use my disengaging to claim I'm shutting down the dialogue. I'm not so naive as to think I will now be able to talk them into honest communication but it does help with the dissonance and it will be helpful to discuss with other actual allies. I hate the waste of time and the result of wider permission for inexcusable behavior introduced in this manner. Thanks so much?

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Julia Ringma's avatar

I offer you this basic structural explanation of arguing in bad faith, to expand on as you wish.

An argument is in bad faith if the arguer A does not care about the truth of A’s premises. An argument is malicious if A knows a premise is false and makes the argument anyway.

For example:

Arguments can be made in bad faith when the Arguer A is trying to come up with reasons to avoid the obligation to help those A does not care about. For example, A will argue it is an infringement on A's liberty to tax A at all, when really, A just does not want their tax dollars to pay for the education of the poor, or the healthcare of the disabled. A wants to control where A’s money gets spent and so makes a bad faith argument that it is wrong to tax people in the first place. The reasons given are designed to mislead, or are mere opinion, or support some other argument.

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